286. What If Assisted Living Could Make You Better, Not Just Older? A New Paradigm with Hal Cranmer of A Paradise for Parents

SPEAKER_03 0:00

What have you seen with someone with pretty bad dementia, Alzheimer's, and getting on this diet and doing the exercise? How quickly have you seen them get better and have they got good enough to walk out of the facility?

SPEAKER_00 0:10

So first person I did this with, he didn't have dementia, but he was in a wheelchair. And I told him, if you work really hard, get out of that wheelchair and walk out into the street and get in your wife's car on your own, you can go home. And he did that in about eight months or so. With the dementia, it a lot depends on how far along they are. Okay. I had a guy with very mild dementia that we turned around in a month. Like he was gone in a month. Now we did a whole bunch of stuff. He worked really hard. He got exercised tons every day, ate very nutritiously. We took him to a hyperbaric chamber six days a week. We really worked on him to get him home. I had another lady that took seven or eight months and turned it all around.

SPEAKER_03 0:47

Was she doing hyperbaric chamber as well?

SPEAKER_00 0:49

Yeah. And she was about eight months, I think. And then I've had others, two big success stories. I had others who were deeper in dementia, and we saw their test scores improve, and you could tell they were membering more. There were one lady asking me, I was driving her around between my homes, and she asked me, Hey, is daylight savings time tomorrow? And it was. And I was like, wow, that's impressive. And she was, I don't know if you know the Mocha test. Yes. Okay, but just for your viewers, yes, the viewers. You score, it's a one-page sort of test like you'd take an elementary school. But if you score like a 20 to 7 to 30, you're normal if you're in the 20 to 26 range, you've got mild cognitive impairment. And then if you're below 20, you probably have dementia. The lady, the first time she took it, she scored a 13, so she was well in dementia. We got her up to about 18. So close to being in the mild cognitive improvement. We had another guy who was at 11, he went to 15. But it's just when you're getting that far into the dementia, it's really, really hard to turn them around completely.

SPEAKER_03 1:54

Yeah. How much has that raised your food costs percentage-wise, would you say?

SPEAKER_00 1:58

I would say it's probably gone up four to five hundred bucks a month.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

On 10 people, your costs have went up four to five hundred dollars a month.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

Yeah, so fifty bucks a month.

SPEAKER_03 2:06

Fifty bucks a month more.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

And realize these people are paying me around $5,000 a month to stay in my homes. So the one person leaving my homes and having an empty bed for a month pays for that extra food cost for practically the whole year.

SPEAKER_03 2:20

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SPEAKER_00 4:22

Thank you, David. It's wonderful to be here. I really appreciate your invitation.

SPEAKER_03 4:25

I did not grow up to become a colon hydrotherapist and be in the nutrition field by any means. I was gonna be a real estate developer. And then I heard on your podcast, one of the podcasts you were on, you were in real estate doing homes. And so I said, Yeah, no problem. Doing assisted living center. They're all self-ran. Easy peasy.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Yeah, they sell you a bunch of goods. That's and you weren't even in the same state. No. Yeah. Well, it was time to leave Minnesota. The the weather was getting to us.

SPEAKER_03 4:50

All right. Well, uh, that's great. So why don't you just bring us up to speed? I've kind of opened the can of worms there and tell us how you got in this field and and what are you and then what you and let's get into what you're doing for what doing differently than other people are doing in the industry.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Sure. Yeah. You thought yours was different. I never thought I'd get an assisted living. I was an Air Force pilot. I was an airline pilot. I lost my job after 9-11 doing that, and there were no other flying jobs that were worthwhile taking, I thought, at the time. So I went into manufacturing. I flipped some houses on the side, I had some rental properties. And then another real estate investor told me, hey, you should check out assisted living, because I was running to college students at the University of Minnesota. And he said that your tenants in assisted living don't have keg parties and don't kick in walls when they're mad at their girlfriend. And I thought, that sounds pretty good. So took a course in it down here in Phoenix. My wife and I always wanted to live in Phoenix ever since I was stationed down here in the Air Force. And my kids were all wanting to go to Arizona State. So it all kind of came together. After the course, I met a realtor who specialized in assisted living homes, and he sold me five of them total. And so I we packed up everything, left our everything job-wise in Minnesota, and started it new down here.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

What was the learning curve like when you got an assisted living center? What was that like? Because there's so many regulations I understand.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

It's pretty extensive.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

Yeah. I'm learning on the fly. I mean, I'm not running a center, but just no, David, we can't do that. No, we can't do that either.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Because Yeah. In fact, I've I've said to Department of Health inspectors, when do you expect us to actually care for the resident and start doing paperwork? Because it seems like everything we do has got to be documented and reported and hey, you know, the resident did this. We have to tell the adult protective services, and then we get another inspection because of that. And it just like, you know, we'd like some time to sit down with the residents or feed them or or do something with them. So yeah, it was pretty steep. I fortunately went into the Department of Health and said I'm, you know, threw myself on the mercy of the court kind of thing and said, I'm very new at this. I just bought a bunch of them. I need I want to know what I need to do to make sure I'm compliant and not get shut down by the government. So they spent a lot of time with me and explained all the regulations, and I brought in my paperwork and we adjusted a bunch of stuff and things like that, and that really helped. But I think there's a lot more to this business than complying to regulations. You know, the person like you who brought in their mom to assisted living isn't going to say, let me check your forms to make sure everything's signed the right way and you've got the proper authorizations. They're going to ask, is my mom going to have someone talk nicely to her as they're changing her incontinent diapers at three in the morning on New Year's Eve when they could be with their family? That's that's more wouldn't you say that's more what you're interested in than am I complying to regulations? Obviously we want to comply to regulations. There's a reason they're there, but you know, we can comply to regulations and be complete jerks to the residents and and look great, you know, to the Department of Health. So I really got into this sort of, what do people really want? And what I heard a lot of residents say when they moved into our homes was, I don't want to be here. I want to live at home the rest of my life. I want to die in my home. And so I thought, okay, well, give the customer what they want, right? Let's figure out a way that you don't need to get you to a point where you don't need 24-7 care and then you can go home. And even if we can't get it to where you can go home, can we give you a quality of life where are okay with this home because you get to see your family all the time, because you're in good enough shape that your family can take you out for a meal or take you to a movie or take you to, you know, the kids' home for Christmas or or things like that. You know, the as you probably did, your mom doesn't go to these homes and tour them and see if this they like them and want to move in. The kids tour or the spouse tours them or the brother or sister or some family member, and then says to the person moving in, hey, I found a place you're moving into there. And so that's why they're like, you know, I didn't choose it. I don't have this freedom. I've got to have people around me all the time now. This is not the the end of my life that I envisioned. So, you know, what can we do to get people to where, you know, they have a wonderful day one day when they're 102 years old and then go to sleep and never wake up, right? That's what we all want. Sure. And that's what I'm trying to get as close as I can to giving them.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

Yeah, awesome for you. Yeah, my mother, you know, my dad passed, and you know, her memory was not great. She needed someone to help her. Her she's got some eyesight issues, and you know, she was five hours away, can't and she can't drive. So it's like I can't leave you here. I can't find enough caregivers in our small town. In fact, at one point we had six lined up, three were teenagers. I knew that was not gonna work out good.

SPEAKER_05 9:58

No.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

It only lasted two days. Wow. Two days, and one of them bailed, and it wasn't the teenagers yet. And uh so I said, Mom, we're we gotta go to Boise and and then we'll go from there. And and you know, every day was when can I go home? When can I go home? I want to go home to that house I built up on the hill with your dad. It's my home. I want to go home. You know, it's been really hard. My mom is very active, and and she back even today, I mean, as she says, David, I gotta get a job, you know, and I gotta learn to drive my car. Do I still have my car? I need to learn to drive my car. I gotta get a job. What do you think I should be doing? My mother was always she was ahead of everything in town, you know, had two businesses at one time. I mean, she built her own house. I mean, my mom always had 10 projects going, always.

SPEAKER_05 10:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 10:40

So now all of a sudden, you you take away that, shut that down. I had her walking in the one facility quite a bit and juggling balls and gave her all kinds of tests and exercises to do, and and uh but then we had to move into the memory care because she got a little bit agitated. It was just kind of time. It's but uh Sure. So what did you do when you get in there, you see this happening, you say give the client what what they want. Did you what kind of food were they serving then and what are you doing now? And what was that transition like?

SPEAKER_00 11:08

So I bought homes that were already existing businesses. Like they they were running, you know, and I bought it from a previous owner. I would highly recommend if someone wants to get in this business that they do that because trying to find caregivers, trying to set everything up, have all the inspections, you know, it it's extremely challenging. People do it, you know, it's I just gotta start somewhere, but if you can find a good deal on an existing one and and make it better. So I I like I said, I bought I took that course, I bought the homes, I came in, and they were they were doing what most other assisted living homes do. They were the caregivers were wonderful people. Um anyone who becomes a caregiver long term is like a saint on earth, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 11:54

I agree.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

And there's an awful lot of people who get into it and leave, like you said, two, three days a week later. But those caregivers were trying to save the owner money, you know, especially on food, so they'd get what was on sale or what's cheap, you know. If you can think of your college days, and you know, m a lot of college students are like check out check out the free samples at Sam's Club, right? For dinner. So they're buying ramen, they're buying peanut butter, jelly, things like that. And I was like, look, you know, it it quickly dawned on me that having empty beds is a lot more expensive than spending a little m more money on groceries. So I at first it was just, you know, I didn't know much about nutrition. Like I said, I have a manufacturing and aviation background. So I just sort of did what my mom told me, you know, eat your vegetables, eat lean meats, eat don't eat sugar, don't have alcohol, don't drink soda, you know, the basics. So we just tried to gradually start with that. And there was a little grumbling at first. You know, they wanted dessert after every meal, and old people are incredibly manipulative if they're craving something. So, you know, it it went and fits and starts because the caregivers were thinking we were being mean to them. You know, they're they're old. Why not just give them what they want? And and my answer to that is, well, them eating what they want is the reason they're in here. So they're they want to leave. Eating what they want is not a viable option. What we need to do is change their taste buds to eat, to crave what is good for you rather than what is extremely tasty on the lips.

SPEAKER_03 13:40

I was touring a home and one of the questions I asked, okay, what kind of food are you serving? And I'd always seen a bunch of uh their little bar with uh for the coffee and the little Keurig poisonous toxic little coffee things and the sh and the and the candies. I go, Oh boy. And she says, Oh, the same for everyone else does, David. She says, I know we should probably, you know, change our costs of went up for labor. And if I had to increase uh my food costs would would go up seven percent. I said, seven percent. Okay, I'm in. Yeah. And she then told me a story. She says, get this. She says, I had a gal came in here and all she would eat was broccoli. Nothing but broccoli in a memory care facility. And she says, David, after about six months of eating broccoli, she got better and drove her car home.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

Yeah, yeah, I've seen it happen. I mean, I don't serve just broccoli. Yeah. You eat well. It's amazing what things can happen.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

And they don't want to do it for some reason.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

So, okay, so when you switched, what was that like? I mean, did your how much did your food costs go up? Did you just go to putting people on carnivore or a keto diet, or did you just how what did you do?

SPEAKER_00 14:39

No, I I went through a bunch of iterations. Like I said, I I started with what my mom told me to eat. I had one guy actually get better and go home because of that. And then I I'd hired a personal trainer because I wanted them to exercise too. And I found, I don't know if you experience physical therapy and assisted living, but it they come in, you know, it's paid for by insurance, it's wonderful kind of stuff, but they'll come five or six times, and a lot of times they'll say, Well, he's that person's not really progressing, so we're not gonna come anymore. Or, you know, the insurance only pays for five or six times. I'm like, well, that's about enough time for them to get over their soreness, and that's about it. You know, we're not gonna see big improvements. So I hired a personal trainer and said, You come in here several days a week and work everyone out. And that personal trainer that I hired, the first one was a vegan. And he's like, Well, if you really want them to get better, you should make everyone vegetarian in here. And I know there's a difference between vegan and vegetarian, I don't remember the exact whatever it is, but basically you want us not to cut out every kind of animal protein and and feed the plant food. So I hired some vegan nutritionists, and we did that for a little while, and I had a big revolt on my hands of people like, I'm not eating salad for breakfast. You know, this is ridiculous. I want a steak, I want a burger, I want, you know, eggs for breakfast and bacon and you know, cereal and what they used to eat. And so I'm like, well, this isn't working. Because I wasn't I would have stuck with it, but I wasn't seeing lots of improvement. I mean, kudos for that other place that served just broccoli, and the lady got better. But that may be more an elimination diet than it was actually vegetables that did the great thing. But I I was seeing a lot of 98-pound ladies that didn't have anything to lose, losing weight, and uh I had a lot of really mad resonance and stuff. So I went back to what I knew, and then I just started researching, came across Dale Bredison, who talked about ketogenic diets and how good they are for dementia. So I started going down that rabbit hole. I found another guy named John Jakish who has a book called Weightlifting is a Waste of Time and So is Cardio, because he has a sort of a product he sells that's exercise bands with bars and things like that, and and showed how bands are much superior to weight. But he said if you really wanted to make good gains, increasing your muscle size, you should be on a carnivore diet. And I'd never heard of that, so I looked into it and I'm like, that's crazy. All my residents are gonna have heart attacks. So, but I thought, okay, I'll I bought this guy's system, I might as well try it for a month or two. I'm not gonna have a heart attack after that. And I just felt amazing doing the carnivore diet. And so I've been doing it about five years now and absolutely loving it. I didn't introduce the carnivore diet to my assisted living home, but I did move towards a ketogenic diet. I was on another podcast early on when no one had heard of me ever, and a lady reached out to me named Maria Emmerich, who is extremely who's written a whole bunch of cookbooks and is extremely good at making regular food become ketogenic. So she just changes some ingredients in it. It might not taste exact, you know, lasagna might not taste exactly the same as your, you know, Italian mother's lasagna, but it's pretty close. And it's really using zucchini noodles instead of pasta and putting a whole bunch of ground beef in it and and not much sauce can really lower the carb content in it. So she could hide, we could hide the evil food, you know, and make them think they're eating normal food. And they actually said that they improv it improved in our homes or the quality of the food when we started using her recipes. Uh she she told me she can make a keto pop-tart, but we haven't tried that yet.

SPEAKER_03 18:33

Wow. Yeah. How big are your homes? How big are the homes that you have?

SPEAKER_00 18:37

So we each of them are licensed for up to ten people at a time.

SPEAKER_03 18:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

So quite they're large residential homes and they uh we've remodeled them, or the previous owner remodeled them to accommodate ten people, usually seven or eight bedrooms in each. So we have a combination of some private rooms and some shared rooms.

SPEAKER_03 18:55

Okay. So then you're the the people are in are these all homes real close together? Do you have same cook for all the homes or different cook for each home?

SPEAKER_00 19:03

I have different cooks for each home. Okay. At first I tried to just take those cookbooks hand because I the previous owner just had the caregivers cook too. Right. And what I found the problem with that is by 3-4 in the afternoon, the caregivers are pretty tired. And now they gotta make three meals a day for ten people each time. Imagine serving Thanksgiving dinner every meal at 365, right? They were just pretty tired out, and so making ramen or making Campbell soup for the residents seemed awfully tempting. Right. So I wanted to have I separated the cooking from the caregivers because I thought I want a fresh cook who knows what they're doing, cooking meals and making sure that they're getting good meals on every meal. And then the caregivers would be more free to really provide good care, do some exercise, do some brain training with the residents, put them in a sauna, that kind of thing. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

So we was there a sauna in the facility when you bought it?

SPEAKER_00 20:02

No, I put one in. Awesome. Cause people with sauna have a 66% lower chance of dementia, so I figured it'd help the dementia people too. So yeah, and we hired a nutritionist too that is certified with Maria Emmerich with her recipes, who came in and trained all our cooks. She comes in and does audits of our pantries and things like that because I I don't trust the caregivers or I don't trust the families to, you know, not sneak something in. But most of them are really good about it. And it usually they pass the audits these days with pretty flying colors.

SPEAKER_03 20:36

But how long did it take for you to, you know, make this switch and then and then get people on board with it? I mean, and and what kind of things did you see and how long did that take?

SPEAKER_00 20:45

I would say it probably took three or four years, but I I was experimenting. It wasn't like, you know, I had this system of doing it. There's no one else really doing this. So I I went through some cooks, I went through different nutrition stuff we were trying, convincing the families. They were they were hesitant at first. A lot of them were like, There's no way you're doing carnivore with my mom. But they what we did was we sort of made a carnivore base. We'd make a steak and then we'd add broccoli for the keto people, and we'd add we have a few people who are like, just feed my parents whatever they want, kind of thing. So we add a potato or something. So it's it's not a keto meal now, but they still get the nutritional content and we don't have to make you know individual meals for each person. And we we tried to I tried to show the families the benefits. I showed them the studies, everything like that. And they their first reaction was, well, if mom likes it, we're in, okay? And as long as our doctors are happy with it and everything. And I have a wonderful mobile doctor that is sort of on the same page as me, because the Department of Health requires, you know, the doctor to sign off on everything. So, you know, when we put people on these diets, we have to have a doctor say it's okay for them to do it. And and so all of those things, the the families were over. Okay with it and the residents were willing to try it and and the residents really liked it. And then we started seeing some great results. And and so now it continues. And and the good thing is now the word's getting out that I'm doing this. So when people come to my homes, it it's kind of easy to sell them on it to say, you know, they're they're coming because they want their mom on it or dad on a ketogenic diet. They don't I don't have to try to explain this is why we're doing it. And and I've turned people away, you know, that came and said, I want my mom to eat anything she wants. She's, you know, 85, 88 years old. Give her joy in the last couple of years of her life. And I try to tell them, I can make keto or carnivore ice cream that your mom will love. But they'd be like, no, she likes Haagendah's ice cream, and that's what you need to give her. And I tell them, you know, there's like 2,000 other facilities in Arizona that would be more than happy to accommodate that request. You should probably go there.

SPEAKER_03 22:55

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SPEAKER_00 26:16

Well, the residents just care about one thing. Does it taste good? So as long as we can make the food taste good for them, they're bought into it. The staff was a little cautious at first. They're they were very worried about this is going to cost you a lot of money, Hal. And I reassured them, I would rather be able to look at myself in the mirror because I'm taking care of someone than make a hu enormous profit. And I'm doing well, you know, since I've done this. First of all, people don't leave for whatever reason nearly as much as they used to. You know, we don't have the turnover we used to. Well, they leave before because they were dying, or just I want to try and mostly dying. Okay. So now they're living longer. Now I have people leave that walk out of my home and move back home. And that's just the greatest feeling in the world. We have going away parties for them. I have one lady who came to me in 2016, moved into our home in a wheelchair and heavily diabetic, very close to hospice. She's still with me 10 years later. And we've told her she's walking around, she hired her own personal trainer because she wants to even get better. And we tell her, you can go home. And she's like, Well, all my relatives are dead. So I just go home to an empty house. I don't want to do that. I like you guys. I love the food here. So as long as you're all right with it, I'm staying. And we're like, totally fine with us. So I mean, you never get that in assisted living where you have someone who could move back home and say, no, I'm going to stay here. So, like during the pandemic, I didn't lose anyone to COVID, you know, and which is kind of weird for a nursing home. And then I had one home during the pandemic, I didn't lose anyone for any reason for two years.

SPEAKER_03 27:54

Did any of those people get the shot?

SPEAKER_00 27:56

So I told people, I don't care if you get the shot or not. That's totally up to you. I'm not going to make it easy for you to get the shot. I'm not bringing people in to shoot you up. You know, if you want to take your loved one to go to the pharmacy and get it, great. And and obviously a lot of people did that, but I had a bunch that didn't. And again, we didn't lose anyone. We definitely had COVID go through our homes, especially when we'd send someone to the hospital. They'd always come back with COVID. But we no one really got sick. We had one guy who caught it, and he was, you know, he'd had a cold, he was coughing and stuff, but he wasn't really sick. But he demanded to go to the hospital. And so we sent him and we ne he never came back. He he passed away in the hospital. So that was kind of tragic. But he didn't, I don't I'm to this day, I'm convinced if he stayed in our home, he would have been fine.

SPEAKER_03 28:45

All right. So you obviously didn't put up plastic barriers and keep keep the kids outside and wave to mom and so yeah, I I called the Department of Health at the beginning of COVID and I was like, what what rules do they have?

SPEAKER_00 28:59

And they had, you know, you've got to have an infection control procedure and all this kind of stuff. But their ultimate advice is don't do anything that's going to get you in the newspapers. Because you you'd see a lot of assisted living that, you know, 40% of their population died of COVID. So I'm like, great. So I fed, I kept feeding them really well. I loaded them up with like vitamin D. We'd put them outside every day for half an hour, 45 minutes at least. I I do that regularly, but you know, during COVID, everyone got locked in their room and never went outside. And then, yeah, I I had my families come and visit them outside. We tried to do like Zoom calls at the beginning of 2020 because we just didn't know what was going on. And the dementia people just didn't get it at all. You know, they're like, why can't I hug my my daughter or my son? kind of thing. So we just said, come on over, we'll meet outside, and and that worked really well. And no one got real depressed or anything. We put on the masks and all the standard stuff, but I really didn't want my residents being isolated.

SPEAKER_03 30:00

Is your facilities assisted living or dementia or combination?

SPEAKER_00 30:04

So it's a combination. We're there's three levels of care in Arizona's Department of Health, uh personal supervisory and directed. And it's all kind of based on if they can recognize danger. Okay. The personal people can are like you and me. Hey, there's a big fire, walk out, and then you go to all the way to directed where they're like, there's a fire right next to you. Oh, I don't care. You know, so yeah, so it's a combination. We have people who have dementia, we have people who don't have dementia, we have people who are extremely obese, we have people who are diabetic, we have people with Parkinson's, we got the whole range. The only if they're combative is with dementia or they have some specialized procedure, uh, it's hard for us to take care of people who have dialysis, or if they have pick lines, feeding tubes, things like that. That's more the purview of a skilled nursing facility. But if they're really combative too, I don't want them hitting other residents or the staff, so we'll move them to like a lockdown memory care unit. But we'll really try. Do you have a lockdown unit? I don't know. I don't I send them to the big places. Okay. That I mean, we lock and alarm all our doors and everything like that, but there's specific things that a skilled nursing facility can do. They can kind of restrain people and things that we're not allowed to do. So we it's very hard to uh prevent someone from getting violent in our homes. And we'll do everything we can from you know trying to have some therapy with them to maybe some drugs, pharmaceuticals to calm them down or something like that. Not our favorite line of defense, but if necessary, but we'll we'll try very hard to hold on to them and let them stay with us. But if it's just too much, we gotta let them go. I have a rule with my caregivers. If you want someone gone, I'm not gonna ask you why, I'll I'll get rid of them. Because uh, my caregivers are like family. I have extremely low turnover and I like to keep it that way.

SPEAKER_03 31:56

I was gonna say, how do you go about in this day and age attracting and keeping people? What's what that what's that been like to hire people in that in this in this business?

SPEAKER_00 32:05

It's very challenging. That's why I want to hold on to the ones I got, especially the good ones. My first thing is to ask my good caregivers, hey, got any friends or family? And they usually do. I've tried advertising like in in Indeed and Craigslist and some other care.com, things like that. And either I get ones that are like registered nurses that want an insane amount per hour, and I'm like, you're gonna be working, you know, all this overtime too. I can't afford that. Or the Craigslist Indeed, I get people who you know show up for one or two days of work and leave, or they ask me, you know, is it okay for me to have a felony on my record? And I'm like, no, it's not. At least they're honest, right? Yeah. But and my one of my managers, her first question in an interview is, What do you think of wiping an old lady's butt at 3 a.m.? And a lot of we get a lot go, I don't want to do that. So I would say the family first of the the caregivers or friends of the caregivers. And I've even resorted to going to immigration attorneys and uh sponsoring the family of some of my caregivers. Most of my caregivers are Filipino. There's something about Filipinos that are just amazing caregivers. And we've sponsored them, got their a green card, and brought them over to uh work in our homes, and that's worked out well.

SPEAKER_03 33:25

Wow. What have you seen with someone with pretty bad dementia, Alzheimer's, in turn and getting on this diet and doing the exercise? How quickly have you seen them get better and have they got good enough to walk out of the facility?

SPEAKER_00 33:36

So it's funny you should say walk out of the facility, because the first person I did this with, he didn't have dementia, but he was in a wheelchair, and I told him, if you work really hard, get out of that wheelchair and walk out into the street and get in your wife's car on your own, you can go home. And he did that in about eight months or so. With the dementia, it a lot depends on how far along they are. Okay. I had a guy with very mild dementia that we turned around in a month. Like he was he was gone in a month. Now we did a whole bunch of stuff. He worked really hard. He got he exercised tons every day, ate very nutritiously. We took him to a hyperbaric chamber six days a week. We really worked on him to get him home. I had another lady that took seven or eight months and turned it all around. Was she doing hyperbaric chamber as well? Yep. Yeah. And she was she was about eight months, I think. And then I've had others, though those are my two big success stories. I I had others who were deeper in dementia, and we saw their test scores improve, you know, and you could tell they were remembering more. I remember one lady asking me, I was driving her around between my homes, and she asked me, Hey, is daylight savings time tomorrow? And it was. And I'm like, wow, that's impressive. And she was, I don't know if you know the the Mocha test. Yes. Okay, but just for your viewers. Yes, for the viewers. You score, it's a one-page sort of test like you'd take an elementary school, but if you score like a 20 to 7 to 30, um, you're normal if you're in the 20 to 26 range, you've got mild cognitive impairment. And then if you're below 20, you probably have dementia. The lady, the first time she took it, she scored a 13, so she was well in dementia. We got her up to about 18, so close to being in the mild cognitive improvement. We had another guy who was at 11, he went to 15. But it's just when you're getting that far into the dementia, it's really, really hard to turn them around completely. Yeah. You know, th those two success stories, one, he scored a twenty-one and and left at twenty-six, and the lady was at like eight, seventeen, or eighteen and scored a twenty-six or twenty-seven when she left.

SPEAKER_03 35:50

So carnivore diet, most of them are doing it, you're saying.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

What were your what what uh I'd say more doing keto than carnivore, but we just keep the carbs really low.

SPEAKER_03 35:59

Okay. And what what how much has that raised your food costs percentage-wise, would you say?

SPEAKER_00 36:05

I would say it's probably gone up four to five hundred bucks a month. On two months. So when you can sit what's that?

SPEAKER_03 36:10

On on ten people, your costs of what up four to five hundred dollars a month?

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Yeah, so fifty bucks a month.

SPEAKER_03 36:16

Fifty bucks a month more.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

And realize these people are paying me around five thousand dollars a month to stay in my homes. So, you know, the one person leaving my homes and having an empty bed for a month pays for that extra food cost for practically the whole year. Wow. That's amazing. I mean, the the the economics work. And when you put a new person in your home, and a lot of homes do this, they use services like a place for mom or caring.com, these big places that spend thousands of dollars on internet advertising all the time. And you have to pay them generally a month's worth of rent as a commission. So not only is your bed empty for a month, you lose another month in the commission you have to pay these people. I mean, they're invaluable for finding residents, but because I'm doing this and because I get on podcasts like yours, I get a lot of calls directly from people. I want to move my mom in there and I wipe out that commission too. So the amount I save by spending 500 bucks a month more on food is insane.

SPEAKER_03 37:18

Yeah. So you're is that what's your what's your highest cost for, let's say the person with pretty severe dementia, like she's a 12 mocha, what what kind of a cost is that for I put my mom in?

SPEAKER_00 37:27

I ch I charge maybe 58, 600 5800, 6,000.

SPEAKER_03 37:31

Yeah, that's about what we're that's what we're paying, I think.

SPEAKER_00 37:33

And then the hyperbaric is on top of that.

unknown 37:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:37

Now do you have a hyperbaric in your facility or you go out?

SPEAKER_00 37:39

No, I don't. The Department of Health will not allow me to, but I'm fighting it. I've got to do that.

SPEAKER_03 37:43

Well, are you the one that proposed the legislation in Phoenix?

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Well, I didn't I I wrote to a senator that's a friend of mine, a state senator, and said, What can I do about this? And she goes, What would you like to do? I I guess I'd like to make pass something that says I can have it. And she said, Well, let's do it. And we got together and did it.

SPEAKER_03 38:00

That's where I first saw you. I went, Who is this guy? You're my man.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

You're my man. Yeah. Yeah. I went and testified in front of the committees and all that kind of stuff. But as of right now, they they won't let it. It's passed out of the Senate. It's passed out of the House Committee, but it died in the House in the last legislature. So we're going to reintroduce it next year. Hopefully, have a more friendly legislature and governor. Anyway, but so we take people to a hyperbaric business that's about a half hour away and they do hour dives and come back and it's under a a medical doctor's supervision and everything. So it's right, right.

SPEAKER_03 38:35

What were they charging roughly? Do you know?

SPEAKER_00 38:36

Are they They charge about $160 a session? That's good. That's a good price. And then yeah, I thought it was an excellent price. And then they and then we uh charge the the families. I have uh someone who drives them back and forth and he charges fifty bucks round trip and he'll stay at the chamber for with them and everything too.

SPEAKER_03 38:55

I may be moving to Phoenix tomorrow. I may be moving with my Oh my gosh. So yeah, I put my mother so I did uh about ten sessions. We were diving, she has a hard time diving. The in fact I had to go get her ears. Yeah, ears. Do you have that problem too? Ear sensory.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

We do.

SPEAKER_03 39:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:13

Yeah. So the the business I take them to drops them down really slowly. So most people adjust to it and do all right with it.

SPEAKER_03 39:21

Yeah, we were getting down, I think, 1.3 to 1.5.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Yep. And we generally take them to 1.5 or so.

SPEAKER_03 39:28

I had to be in the in it with mom, with her to coach her through it.

SPEAKER_00 39:31

Do they have to do you have someone that goes in with them? We do have times. Yeah. The nice thing is, and I don't know about where you took them, but the they they allow caregivers to go in for free. Because you're you it it's good for you too to do.

SPEAKER_03 39:44

Hallelujah. I know. I'm char I'm spending an extra 70 bucks, so I'm spending two seventy.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

No, this place said if you're a caregiver, we let you go in and ride for free. So I've gone, I've gone and rode with them a couple times because I'm like, it's good for everyone. Is it a hard shell chamber? Yes, it's a hard shell. They go much deeper.

SPEAKER_03 40:01

Yeah, we did about 10 treatments, and and I could tell mom afterwards a little bit better. And then I went on vacation for about three weeks and I knew bad time to leave just because where I was at, and she was so used to calling me five times a day, and she was one mile from me at that time, my business and my home. So mom called me, I could pop over there. It was great. Now she's across town, it's much harder. It's a five-hour trip for me now to go get her, pick her up, get in the car.

SPEAKER_00 40:26

Oh, yeah, it's not a quick thing.

SPEAKER_03 40:27

So you'll you'll you'll find if this would be a laugh, and so are the listeners. So I'm on Facebook Marketplace and I found a soft shell. In fact, I had a guy on my podcast who he's called One Man in a Chamber, and he had been a Bob Slater racer, nine-time world champion. And of course, that that just kills your brain. And he wanted to die. He wanted to kill himself. He was 45, 40 years of age, brain stuff has no memory. His dad bought him a soft shell chamber.

SPEAKER_00 40:51

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 40:51

And he, in fact, he was begging, he was praying to God he'd get pancreatic cancer. So he would be over quick quickly.

SPEAKER_05 40:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 40:59

That was his wish at in his late 30s. Well, and now he's suing the industry, the bobsledding com uh industry, because he wants them to give full disclosure before someone jumps in that sport saying, hey, you're gonna have a microconcussion. So every time you go down a on a run, you have many, like many, many microconcussions every run. And if you wreck, and it's gonna destroy your brain. And so he's he's taking a lawsuit to him. Uh Will Perkins, great guy, I don't remember which podcast that was about let's see, podcast two, twenty-six, seven, somewhere in there. Anyway, and about that same time I interviewed Phil Rainey up at Sun Valley Hyperbarics up in Sun Valley, Idaho, and he's been doing hyperbarics forever, and he told me about some great success with with hyperbarics. So anyway, long story short, last November, I found a soft shell. I thought, great. I bought it, it was not very much money. I think I spent 12 grand. It was a used one, not very used very much, but I got I'm gonna get mom in this. This will save us some money, right? Well, they're tiny. So I get mom, it's not easy to get in. It's there's a slit, you gotta zip it. It's not like that. Yeah. You know, the hard shell, big, so I'm just gonna paint a picture for the audience. The hard shell's got a big door, and you can't stand up in it, but you're you can sit up very well. Soft shell, no. You gotta lay down, you slide in. I got mom in. I got in. We're in there like sardines, put the mask on, I take her down really, really, really slow. I made a mistake. I didn't have her go to the bathroom. We get all the way down, she goes, I gotta pee. I go, oh no. So I I said I gotta go up and we spent about 40 minutes just up and down. Anyway, we get up and she stands up and she pee in her pants. I felt so bad for her. And it was very it wasn't easy to get out. And uh, I'm sure. I know. So I had a laugh about that one. I thought, well, I better put some diapers on her next time. But anyway, I did we and then she got sick and then she got very agitated about where she's at. They said, David, it's time we gotta put her to memory care. I went, okay, and uh, and then she's farther away, so it's a it's it's a lot, it's a five-hour day for me to go do it. But yeah, I saw that you're gonna put it in a facility, and I've said to the people here, I said, You gotta get one of these facilities. Everyone should be on this stuff. You gotta need a cold hydrotherapy bed because you know, most of them are constipated. My mom runs constipated. I get her a colonic once a week because she's always constipated. And every time I give her a con every time I do a colonic, I do a magnesium foot bath. And the other tool I bought for her, which is interesting, uh, and it was this was in uh Sandenson's book, Contrast Oxygen, Alive O2 contrast oxygen machine.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

Are you familiar with it? We have we have those in our homes.

SPEAKER_03 43:17

Hot dang. I'm moving tomorrow. That's it. Does everyone use them?

SPEAKER_00 43:20

Yeah, we got yeah, we we put them on there, we take them up to altitude and then bring them back down and have the uh pulse oximeter on them and all that stuff. You guys are saints. Oh my word. This is incredible.

SPEAKER_03 43:33

And what and they did they like it? Do they like I want to do when's my next turn?

SPEAKER_00 43:37

Mixed reactions. Okay. They're not like enthusiastic. Yeah. Jumping can I when can I do my live O two session again? But they they get on it and understand why it's good for 'em and everything.

SPEAKER_03 43:48

Do you have a hard time getting them, you know, uh their their pulse rate up high enough for it to make a big difference, or do you think it even matters?

SPEAKER_00 43:55

I we don't uh to be honest, we don't check their pulse, we check their oxygen levels.

SPEAKER_03 43:58

That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

Yeah. No, I think the oxygen level definitely matters because what happens is you're, you know, as you're being starved of oxygen, when we put it on the high altitude setting, your blood vessels dilate, your heart starts pumping faster, and your body prioritizes certain organs, your brain being one of them. You know, so it's it's setting itself up to use that oxygen as efficiently as possible. And then when you flip it back to the 85% oxygen and flood everything, their whole body with it, and they're working all efficiently, it's it's the same effect as like a hyperbaric chamber.

SPEAKER_04 44:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:33

You know, instead of using air pressure to force it in, it's using your heart and your blood vessel dilation to get oxygen to parts of your body that no normally don't get it.

SPEAKER_03 44:43

I guess what I was asking my mom fast enough to really get her pulse went up some, but not a lot. Her oxygen generally gets down to about 90, 92.

SPEAKER_00 44:53

Yeah, we take them into the 80s.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

Yeah, I I've never got my mom into 80. I've got myself into 85, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:59

We hear of these like super athletes that get down in the 50s or so use that's just crazy. But yeah, you just have to we try to get them, say, okay, pedal as fast as you can, or we'll get them out of the bike and we'll we'll have them just sit in a chair and stand up, sit down, stand up and sit down. And uh I had one guy every time we took the mask off, and he's like, Oh, I'm tired. We're like, that's the idea.

SPEAKER_03 45:24

And but they also notice like joint pain and things like this being reduced as well.

SPEAKER_00 45:28

Yeah, we f yeah, their pain level goes down. We find they sleep much better, they have a lot more energy during the day, they their appetite goes up. We see people eat a lot more with elderly, it's always a challenge to get them to eat and especially drink water.

SPEAKER_03 45:44

Yes, that's my mom's issue. I can't get her to drink.

SPEAKER_00 45:47

Yeah, which is really bad in Phoenix because it's so dry out here. Yeah. So there's these I don't know if you've seen the water drop things that are have a coating of I don't know what's on the counting. It's got a very little amount of modextrin, which isn't ideal, but it makes for a little sweet taste and it's 95% water, and and you give them one of those and they eat it and get hydrated very quickly. So if all else fails, we use those. What's it called? I think it's called like water drops or something like that. I'll send you a link to it. All right. Uh my caregivers order it, so I don't I don't get involved in it too much. But yeah, it it they the sweet taste is the last taste bud that elderly people lose. So you feed them something sweet and it looks like they're a sugar addict. So if we can give them this, they get a lot of water with just sacrificing a little bit of sweetness.

SPEAKER_03 46:38

Yeah. When mom was in assisted living, I took over my own jars of a mixture of prote essential amino acids and some electrolytes. And I got her mom on the phone. Mom, have you drank your water? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she'd get it, and I'd go check on sure enough, but sometimes I might get two quarts some days, and some days it might be a quart. Now not so much, but I did get them. It's pretty cool because I was really they were serving water in styrofoam cups. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 47:04

I was like, Oh boy.

SPEAKER_03 47:05

Yeah, let's just give them some petrochemicals at the same time. And they're still doing I I brought in glass, I said I got my own glasses now. And they went and bought some plastic cups, you know, with a plastic straw, so they've made some and they put their names on it, so everyone's got one. My mom drinking much? No.

SPEAKER_00 47:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:23

That's been a struggle for sure.

SPEAKER_00 47:24

W one thing we do with the eating, there's a study out that dementia people's eyesight is it starts to degrade, they lose their peripheral vision and all that. So if you serve them like white food, rice or potatoes on a white plate, they just don't see it. Yeah. And so a lot of times you think, well, they're not eating. Well, they they would if they eat. So we have these bright red plates.

SPEAKER_03 47:47

That's what I do for mom.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

Different than all the others, and that that seemed to help a lot too. We'd see their appetites go up.

SPEAKER_03 47:53

She has blind spots, and I want to try DMSO on her. Have you heard about that?

SPEAKER_00 47:57

Well, yeah. We've tried I've tried that somewhat, but a lot of them it's irritating, and so they they fight me on it. But we had a we had a lady have a stroke and we applied it to her skin and had her drink some, and she is she's recovering from it a little.

SPEAKER_03 48:14

Aaron Powell Wow. What kind of a ratio did you have?

SPEAKER_00 48:16

On her skin we were using like 30%. Okay. 70% water. And then we'd as soon as it's turned a little red, like get irritated, we put it on her neck, like by her arteries, to get it up into her brain. We'd use olive oil to cool it off or or ease the irritation. And then for drinking, we just put like a teaspoon in the a glass of water.

SPEAKER_03 48:37

Okay. Awesome. Would on the eyes, did you put it directly in the eyes or just above? Did you rub it in?

SPEAKER_00 48:42

On the eyelids. Okay. So I think you can make do eye drops and stuff, but I think people people didn't want to do that. I tried, we had someone with COPD. I was trying to do DMSO in a nebulizer, and they wanted nothing to do with it. They tried it once and were like, this is awful. I can't do this. So you gotta get people motivated who wanna use DMSO too.

SPEAKER_03 49:04

But it seems to help. Yeah. So did you just put like a like an eyedropper or a dropper and just let it and drip it on the eyelid and then just rub it in? Is that what you do?

SPEAKER_00 49:13

Well, I mixed up like a 30%. I think we started with a 20% solution and then went up to 30, and we take like a a little rag and and use that to wipe it on.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

Okay. Okay. I haven't done it yet with my mom, so I just I've just gotten it up. I I'm I'm about I think I've got about 15, 20% solution.

SPEAKER_00 49:30

Yeah, yeah. Start with a really diluted version and just work your way out. Okay, so what do you do with what you can tolerate?

SPEAKER_03 49:36

They've told me I've got to get an op ophthalmologist to give them orders. Do you the the to get supplements in in the clinics here or in the assisted living centers here, everything's a doctor. And if I go to the pharmacy, ugh right off Amazon and you've got to find a doctor who's willing to do it.

SPEAKER_00 49:50

I swear a doctor could prescribe heroin to these residents, and the Department of Health would only care that they had a prescription for it. You know, like they don't like say, well, that's weird, you know, to the doctor's things. I've I've had doctors prescribe beer and wine because I I can't serve alcohol, but if they have a doctor's prescription, I can serve alcohol. Get out you know my dad always has beer before bed. How can we make that happen for him? And I'm like, well, like talk to my doctor and have him prescribe one.

SPEAKER_03 50:20

My word, that's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, I come down, mom's on a she's been on a whole bunch of supplements her whole life, and now I'm trying to get it put through the fire. Well, we'll just have to buy that on Amazon. And I go, what? No, I want a specific brand. Well, and then we're gonna charge you, we're gonna buy it at retail and upcharge you 40% so we can put it in the I don't charge, I don't upcharge any of that stuff. We're talking to Hal Kramer, uh, owner of Paradise for Parents, an assisted living center. If you have a parent or an assisted living center, share this with the administrator. And please share this with anyone that may be on the cusp of going into a home. You can reverse dementia if you get on it early. On average, a memory care for slow costs you between $60,000 to $110,000 a year or worse, you have to be cared for by your children, and that leaves a heavy toll on them and in some cases causing them to lose their health. But what if you invested in detoxing those toxins and getting the best health of your life? We help you do that. Your best investment is our 10-day healing retreat. The goal in life is to live it fully and go out like a light bulb rather than a slow, miserable crawl to death where you can't remember your own family. LivingWaterscleans.com, learn more or call 208-378-9911. If you miss any parts of the show, catch it all on the whole body detox show podcast. I love watching miracles happen. I especially love watching them happen in you. You have the ability to heal anything. We've proven it over and over and over again. We love to show you how you can heal your own body naturally. Here's what a few of our clients have shared with us.

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SPEAKER_06 52:16

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SPEAKER_00 53:40

Well, how do you get it? I try to find discounts for them. We go to full script usually and buy them there because it seems like that's more reliable.

SPEAKER_03 53:47

And you can do that with your regulations.

SPEAKER_00 53:49

Yeah, so the for some reason they're not so worried about the supplements. They're more into the prescription kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 53:56

Do you guys bubble wrap them then so it's easier for your text?

SPEAKER_00 53:59

Bubble wrap what? The prescriptions?

SPEAKER_03 54:00

Well it went in these facilities, they have to bubble wrap so it has day one, day two, day three. And that way the technology.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

No, they they have like a cardboard thing with sort of punch out little bubble wrap. That's what you're talking about? Yeah, the pharmacy. We have a pharmacy that delivers for us and they send it that way.

SPEAKER_03 54:16

Aaron Powell So you just take the supplement over to them and they hear encapsulate.

SPEAKER_00 54:20

No, I don't I don't bubble wrap the supplement if it's a supplement or a multivitamin or something like that. We just have the bottles. We have Tupperware containers for each person's medication supplements, whatever, and and we keep it in a locked cabinet and and then they pull it out and they fill up metasets that they hand to the res then they you know the caregiver, it's Tuesday at noon. So here are her medications, we put it in a little shot glass thing and hand it to the resident to take.

SPEAKER_03 54:46

So that's different. Here they they put everything in a bubble pack, no matter what it is.

SPEAKER_00 54:51

Well, the pharmacy, the prescription stuff usually comes in the bubble pack, but our our folks still put it in the Medicet thing. You know, because it's a our manager comes in and sets up like a week's worth on Sunday, and then the caregivers will know, okay, it's Monday evening. Here's I'll just scoop it out of this pocket of the Mediset and give it to them. It's got that client's name on it, so it's pretty easy to Yeah, we have a Medicet for each resident.

SPEAKER_03 55:16

Ah, that's smart. Okay. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I've got some drinks she's taken. One of the things we found, mom got pretty agitated, said one day, I want to kill myself. And then we had, of course, the protocol here was you got to take them to a hospital or and see a doctor. And it's it's kind of just a runaround, but we did it. She says, I didn't say that. And then, of course, then one time she was very definite, really upset. She wanted to hit her head in the sink, and we got pretty agitated, pulled someone's blind down. She was in the wrong room, she got confused. But I found a photo of therapy patch that I put on. It's called Joy. And we found the first they were using Lorazipan to kind of calm her down, and it was just, you might as well just she was just she couldn't even talk.

SPEAKER_00 55:56

Yeah, I know Lorazipam's strong.

SPEAKER_03 55:58

Yeah. So then we were went to Obilify and something ABRHR or something. But I put these, I put these, I got them to put the patches on, I got them to approve it, which was they approved it. I'm so thankful they did. And it took about four weeks, and all of a sudden, I've had one, I've had six weeks now of five weeks of mom being joyful.

SPEAKER_00 56:15

Wow. What what was in the patch?

SPEAKER_03 56:17

It's just it just says joy. It's a phototherapy patch. I can send you a link. And for those listening, I'll put I'll put links in too. There's a you know, all this stuff we've talked about, the Live O2 and all that. I'll put those links in the show notes and you can go there and grab this stuff. But no, it was kind of interesting. We switched that on because the last time she said she wanted to commit suicide was Memorial Day. Had to do the whole thing, go to the hospital, get signed off, come back, blah, blah, blah. But that's right after that, it kind of kicked in. So she's been two months and a week on those patches.

SPEAKER_00 56:43

Awesome. That's great. I'd much rather do that than Trazodone or Larazipam.

SPEAKER_03 56:48

Yeah, boy, that was not that was not a good scene at all. But she's been happy. I mean, it's just been I know I really praise the Lord. It has like been David's been tired.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

Going over there all the time and and so forth.

SPEAKER_00 57:02

But I bet.

SPEAKER_03 57:04

Well, that's it. That's awesome. You've got a Live O2. You want to hear a great story about the Live O2?

SPEAKER_00 57:08

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 57:08

This is great. You're gonna love it. So I bought one after I interviewed what's her name?

SPEAKER_00 57:13

Heather Sanderson.

SPEAKER_03 57:15

No, no, no, no, no. The gal at Live O2. Annette. Annette Oh, Annette.

SPEAKER_00 57:18

Yeah, Annette helps us a bunch.

SPEAKER_03 57:20

Yeah, yeah, Annette's my gal. So I can't.

SPEAKER_00 57:21

She's very enthusiastic.

SPEAKER_03 57:23

Oh my gosh, she's great. So, anyway, so I I I got off the show, I ordered a machine. I'm taking it up to you know five hours north of here. Take it up and put it in my mom's home. And my friend David had a mom who she was non-verbal, couldn't walk, you know, bedridden, old thing. He'd been taking care of for a number of years. And we went away for a weekend, put her in the hospital so he'd go away, you know, and have a little time off and go to an event, came back and she's sick. And they says they put her on hospital and says, Okay, David, she's gonna die probably this week, probably this week. So he calls me, he says, David, where's the hyperbaric chamber? I says, Well, it's in Boise, you gotta come to Boise. Well, I can't do that. So why am I spot this machine? And I told him a little about it, unbeknownst to me. He hangs it from me, calls a net, gets the machine, sent out to him, he puts it, puts the machine in. Now, mom's in a wheelchair, and all he did is he moves her arms.

SPEAKER_00 58:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:06

Himself, he moves like like you're, you know, on the radio if you're like ropes, if you will. And then he puts her on oxygen, she 15 minutes, gets done. She hadn't talked to him in two years, started talking to him.

SPEAKER_00 58:19

Wow. I said, What? That's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 58:21

She lived two and a half more years.

SPEAKER_00 58:23

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 58:24

And in fact, I were talking to him about a year after that. He says, Well, David, David, it's got I I I turned my back the other day and I went, she was eating. I I had to feed her. He had to feed her all the time. He says, Uh I came back and she was shoveling the food into her mouth so fast that she choked on it. You had a recessive.

SPEAKER_00 58:39

Oh, yeah. And then no, it it it increases their appetite, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 58:43

Yeah. And then she says, It's clear another problem, David. She's trying to get out of bed on her own. And she was very frail. She's probably like 80 pounds, but she lived two and a half more years, and uh it was pretty crazy, pretty amazing. It's getting obviously we got to get all these ascensive literature.

SPEAKER_00 58:58

I mean, our ex gent's life, it's so important.

SPEAKER_03 59:00

I mean, as I call them, it's memory warehouse, it's just a place to stuff people and not have to worry about your mom and dad. That's what the way most it's treated, unfortunately. And you're paying good money, but you know, mom and dad and whoever, I don't want to be just sitting in a place and eating I can't eat the food.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

I mean, I go over that. And some of them are in there for seven, eight, nine years sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 59:20

I know, but the food's so bad, as you know.

SPEAKER_00 59:22

We had we had a girl that uh we put brought into one of our homes that was 550 pounds, and she'd been in a skilled nursing facility for nine years. Well, and she was forty two she was forty-two when she came to our homes. So she w went into this place at 33 and spent nine years in there. They had her they got her low down like 50 pounds or so, and then they gave it to us, and we got her helped her lose 230 pounds in nine months.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

On a keto or carnivore?

SPEAKER_00 59:49

We got we did a carnivore diet, we did a bunch of fasting, stuff like that. I had a coach that I hired to help her, and he really did gangbuster results. Wow. I'll I'll send you his link in the comments. He's like 280 pounds and has like 8% body fat. He's just an amazing guy. Is he still with you or is he gone? No, well, he does sort of virtual coaching. So virtual coaching. We get on Zoom calls. He's in Las Vegas. We get on Zoom calls and and like this, and we'd meet with her and me and him once a week and and go over how she's doing, what her weigh-in was like, you know, what she's eating, what we had her doing like, you know, two-day fasts at a time and things like that. So we got her down. She moved out and moved into assisted living or into like an independent living place. So it was a great story.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:38

Wow. That is amazing. You're manifesting miracles down there. So tell me about a typical day. I get up in the morning, what am I gonna have for breakfast? No pancakes, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:47

No. Well, no, there's carnivore pancakes, believe it or not. You can make them out of sausage and uh egg. And so they'll do something like that. Generally, it'll be some kind of eggs and uh maybe bacon or sausage, that kind of thing. If my caregivers can get away with it, they might give them a few berries too, but I'm not a big fan of not giving them fruit. And then they'll generally have baths or you know, getting ready for the day kind of stuff after breakfast. And then we'll have some kind of activity. Our personal trainer will come over, we'll do live O2, um, we might do brain training. My caregivers are really good when it's not 115 in Phoenix to take them outside in the morning, either before or after breakfast, get that morning sun, try and reset their circadian rhythm. It it really helps with problems with sundowning. I don't know if you know what that is, but it's Yes, I do. You know, okay. Anyone with dementia all time is probably very familiar with it, but it it very much mitigates it. If you can get them in that morning sunlight when they first wake up, they're and then we, you know, do live O2, our trainer, things like that. We take them on walks. We try to tire them out so when they go to bed, it's it's n night time, it's sleepy time. And then we'll have lunch probably about 11:30. Uh, lunch could be a whole bunch of different things. We have carnivores who just eat, you know, ground beef or steak or chicken or or something like that. We try to, if as long as they're not really obese, we try to give them a lot of fat. The fat turns into ketones that helps fuel their brain. We'll put coconut oil in their coffee, MCT oil, stuff like that. And then after lunch, we'll have some more activities. We'll have like karaoke, we'll do maybe we have a company called the Cognitive Functional Development Institute that has therapists that do sort of one-on-one brain training through Zoom. A lot of them will do that, where they they're just all they do is sit in front of a laptop like this and and they hold up cards and ask them numbers and have them do things in their head and match different pictures together that are in jumbles, things like that to just work out their brain. They're actually about 90 miles away, so that's why we do it on Zoom. And or we'll I do a Bible study with them once a week. We have volunteers that come over and play games with them, that kind of thing. And then we have dinner, usually around 4 35. We try to have it early because we want to give them 14 hours or so of fasting before breakfast, you know, trying to follow Dale Bredison's uh recommendations of sort of get it the I think he calls it keto three keto twelve or something like give them at least three hours before bed and twelve hours of sleep to before their next meal to try to get them intermittent fasted. And then they usually go to after that it's kind of quiet time and they usually go to bed about 7, 7.38. But we have some people who stay up later, some who go to bed real early. So they all have TVs in their room, they all have internet in their room, so if they can use that, they sometimes stay. No, the internet's Wi-Fi, but the TVs are all hanging on the walls usually.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:50

Have you looked at going hardwired getting rid of some of the EMFs?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:53

You know, I haven't, but that's a really good idea. I should probably should.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:57

You know, it's not too hard to do. A lot of people want to use their phones when they come in the house, like family members and stuff. So gotta figure out how to make that happen. But yeah, we I should probably look into that more.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:08

Yes, it's pretty big for the brain. I'm chairman of Idolons for Safe Technology, so I know all about the EMFs. Wait too well in cell towers. Well, that's fascinating. So you've done this, you I mean, you're very reasonably priced, you're changing people's lives dramatically, and people are actually walking out of the facility. Why wouldn't every facility do this? Adopt your protocol, what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:28

Because it's a lot of work, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:30

But you got people, I mean, okay, when you got people sundowners, you know, they're up all night. I mean, you're your staff. Your staff's up running their butts off all night. I mean, you probably have to have more staff if when it's that situation, I versus what you have to have.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:44

Yeah, no. They the staff appreciates them going to bed and staying in bed.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:49

Um I don't know. I've talked to some places that were interested in doing it, but then a lot of the big facilities are corporate run, and so they have food contracts with some food distributor, and so they just don't have the freedom to change like I do.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:04

And uh and others, you know, they they don't want to hire cooks. They want their caregivers to do it. And the caregivers are like, look, you know, I can take care of these people all day or I can make you gourmet meals. I can't do both.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:16

Well, so you gotta have a cook-free facility, you got 10 people. Now the memory care we're at, there's 36. Half are on hospice. Half.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:23

Yeah. I have some on hospice. Well, a lot of people don't want to move into assisted living until they have to move into assisted living. Like mom falls down, breaks her hip, goes to the hospital, and the doctor at the hospital says, you can't move her home unless you have 24-7 care. So now they go around and try to look for, you know, an assisted living to put them in without any education on it or anything. But you know, the day before that, mom was fine as far as they were concerned in living at home. So you're gonna get, you know, the typical stay in an assisted living is probably just a year or two.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

A lot of them are shorter than that. Like you said, if they come in on Hospice. They're not supposed to be on hospice unless they have only six months left to live. I know. Right? I know. But that's another thing with mine is it's the word gets out that I'm really trying to turn people around and move back home. I get people earlier on because they're like, well, let's take a take a shot at this rather than, you know, let's hold off until they're almost dead and then take them to Hal's home and hey, can you turn them around? I'd tell them straight up, no, if they're on hospice, the chances are pretty slim. Right. Right. Okay. I've got a lot of people off hospice, like they got well enough that they no longer needed hospice. They got discharged from hospice. But, you know, they're going to go on eventually again. They're they're not going to necessarily go home, but they're going to have a better quality of life for longer because of that.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:47

Okay. So a couple of questions. What would you what what are the top three to five questions? A brand new person, you know, mom or dad, whatever, I got to put them in a facility. What should I be asking the facility about their what should I be at? What question should I be asking?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:01

I would ask them what they're serving for food. And don't necessarily look at a menu on the wall, because the people put menus on the wall to satisfy the Department of Health requirement that we have a menu on the wall, but that's not necessarily what they're cooking. Like come at mealtime, see what they're making. If you're into nutrition, that's extremely important. I would ask them how long has their staff been around? Because staff turnover is an indication of do the does the sta is the staff being treated well? Because the st if the staff's happy, they're going to treat the residents better than, you know, if they're having to find replacements all the time. Like I have a bunch of gut staff members that have been with me the whole ten years I've owned the place, which is wonderful. They're like family to me. I would I wouldn't get so worried about the smell unless it's persistent. You know, because sometimes you'll go into a place and it might smell like a bowel movement or or urine or something. Because but I've had where people come to tour and had, you know, a resident have a big accident like two minutes before the people showed up. And, you know, you can't expect them to clean it. But I, you know, if you go back two or three times and it smells like that all the time, then there's a problem there. You know, but if it happens once, hey, give them a break, right? I would ask them what kind of activities they have, you know, because a lot of old people don't want to play bingo every day.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:22

Well, my mom can't read the cards. She doesn't want to do it, she can't read it.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:25

Yeah. And I think that's true of a lot of people. So how do you accommodate those? You know, and then I'd ask them, what are you doing to improve the health of the residents? You know, and and if they look at you if they just give you the, well, we have doctors who, you know, check them and prescribe medications, that's not good, right? I'm nothing against doctors. They have a place and the medications are important and all that, but that's not you very rarely go to a doctor, get medication, and the medication improves you. The medication lowers your fever, reduces your pain, or or that kind of thing, makes you sleepy so you can sleep at night. It doesn't like cure your insomnia, it doesn't reverse your dementia, it doesn't reverse your type 2 diabetes, right? So you need more than you want people who are gonna care enough that they're gonna try to give you good food, exercise you, things like that, rather than I'm just gonna give you medication. You know, I'm just gonna rely on the doctors for health, we're just gonna, you know, be around to make sure she doesn't fall or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:23

Yeah. So for your exercise protocol, do you guys have just the bands and then small weights?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:28

We do the bands, we have small weights. Uh we have bars. Well, live O2 is one of our exercise things. We have bars along the walls that either for wheelchair people they can use those to help pull themselves up and get some, you know, there's a lot of wheelchair people that can still strengthen their legs and eventually walk again. But standing people, we try to have them hold on to the bars and do squats, do leg lifts. We have sort of those plastic things you see at the gym that you can stack and have them do step-ups, things like that. You know, we really want we really believe in leg day. We take them out for walks. I want them out in the sunshine, the fresh air as much as possible.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:08

No sunscreen, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:09

No sunscreen? No sunscreen. And that's that's tough because a lot of our residents have been told all their lives to fear the sun and stay out of it, and they're all gonna get skin cancer and all that kind of stuff. So when you take them out, they all like it's June and Phoenix, and they've got a sweater on and a long sleeve shirt and long pants, and you're like, yeah, you're gonna let need to lose some of that, you know, because we want the sun on their skin. It's not so great if they're in the sun, if they're just covered up, big sunglasses on, all that. And and sunglasses, you know, sunlight in your eyes triggers your body to release melanin, which protects your skin against the sun. But if you walk out there with sunglasses on, your body doesn't know to do it, and you actually can get burned easier. At least that's what I've read.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:55

So I very seldom wear sunglasses, very seldom.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:58

Yeah, I'm in Phoenix, and the only time I wear sunglasses are when I'm skiing and when I'm on a boat out here. So you get the glare. But that's it. Yeah, and I I'm almost 60 and I haven't I haven't need glasses yet. So so we try to get them out like that, exercising. And and my caregivers are we have a walking track in the bar back each backyard of each home that they can go out and do laps on and things like that. Oh no. So we're we want to get them, you know, the 10,000 steps a day.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:28

Yeah, my mom in the in the in the previous facility, there's 82 rooms. She was the only one that did no, there were three people I think that walked regularly. And my mind, then I had her taking and tossing balls in the air. And and then I had her, you know, say the outfit backwards and when you're walking. Yeah. And then I got her one of those things that was it's it's good to walk backwards too.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:47

Yeah, no, she did.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:47

She would walk backwards. And she was definitely stood out from every but what happened. When I watched the majority, the other eight, other 79 people, they're out there for breakfast and then they're back to the room. Even though they had a little place where there's an exercise room, you might see one person there once a week, but Yeah, I tell people the exercise room in big facilities is for marketing.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:07

Exactly. So you can come in and go, look, we have an exercise room for your mom or dad with the hopes that the kids think, oh, mom and dad will work out that they don't. Yeah. So we don't. We tell them it's exercise time. We don't go, Would you like to exercise today? Because you're absolutely right. If you don't, if you don't push them and try to persuade them to do it, they're not gonna do it. Do you have a hundred percent of compliance? I'll I'll exercise tomorrow. You know, can I I just I want to watch the show, things like that. So we just say, sorry, the trainer's here. We gotta, you know, Hal's paying for this. You gotta come out and exercise.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:39

What percentage of compliance?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:40

I would say everyone who can exercise does it. I mean, we have some bedbound people, we have some people who have pretty heavy dementia that's hard for them to follow directions. Uh, but but I'd say most everyone who can do it does it. That's all. Various levels of enthusiasm, let's put it that way.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:56

Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah, I had my mom in her room with the previous beside her sit up, stand up. Well, now I'm not, you know, I'm a ways away. Now I can't she can't answer the phone. She can't figure out how to answer the phone now. It's meant to be worse. But before, you know, if she was in her room, I'd say, okay, I'll just coach her through it. Okay, put the phone and go over that chair and stand up and sit down ten times. I mean, I just do little things like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:18

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:18

A lot of things you need that you know, a lot of little things you can do to remove, but just I'd have her balance on one leg and she was dog good at it, actually.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:26

That's awesome. That's important. Balance is huge, prevents falls.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:31

Yeah, we we have we have wireless phones in our homes, so we we tell people if you if you can't get a hold of your mom through their her cell phone, just call the home and we bring the handset over to them and hand it to them to talk.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:44

They've got my number memorized out there.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:46

We don't have visiting hours too. I tell people come over anytime you want, day or night, you know, just have to knock, don't call or anything. Because I want you to feel like we're being transparent with you. We're you know, we're not trying to hide anything. Yeah. And you know, your mom's in a home, it should be her home. She can have people over whenever she wants.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:04

Well, exactly. And and these facilities, the the place we're at, I I like them. They're they're good people. Uh everyone seems, especially the place she was before. She really she still misses that group. She was so you know, they they took yeah, they took really good care of her and and did, you know, they knew what what she needed, you know, what mom liked and so forth. So it was pretty good. Um, you know, the like I say, the biggest thing is we got food and exercise and and uh in the facilities in now, there's a straight hallway. And problem with that is she before there's a circle route and she had a chair by her door, and we marked the door specifically so she could generally door, but now it's a straight line.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:38

She'd get confused on which she'd be on the wrong wing and go into someone's room and we found it close my mom's rooms in our we put signs on all the doors of whose room is whose to hopefully stop that.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:49

Yeah, yeah. That's awesome. So, my gosh, you are doing amazing work. I am hopefully we can get more people doing this and uh I love that. Yeah, share this far and wide for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:00

Yeah, and and one thing my nutritionists and I are doing because people come to us when they're very advanced stages of chronic disease, we thought, you know, when you first get diagnosed with dementia, the first thing you think of is not, I need to move into assisted living. You think, okay, I gotta take care of this as best I can at home. We started like an online community to try to help people, you know, try to fight it in their home. We we actually have a family in Tennessee, a husband and wife that completely turned her dementia around by going on a carnivore diet, by fasting. They bought a hyperbaric chamber in their house, bought a sauna, they do sauna every night, they do cold showers, and they're they're into it. They're quite the inspiration.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:40

So we want to, you know, because the best way to beat dementia is to catch it early. So we and you're not going to come to my assisted living home when you're just being forgetful. So this is our way of trying to do that. It's thriveatyourhome.com if people are interested.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:55

Thrive at your home.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:56

Yeah. We want you to stay in your home. We don't want you to ever come to assisted living. My goal is to get rid of the yeah, we charge for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:04

What's the fee to be on that per month?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:05

For three months, we charge $2,500. But we'll give you kind of one-on-one coaching. My nutritionists will give you recipes, everything like that. Awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:14

Guys, that's this is that's awesome. I mean, if you're someplace you're not in Phoenix, Arizona, then this is a thing I would advocate for.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:20

If you stay with us after three months, we just charge like $150, $160 a month a month after that.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:26

Okay. We had a gill years ago. You know, because your transverse colon, that's your all the connections to your brain.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:34

Well, yeah, the gut's a huge relationship.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:36

But we gotta get you know, and most of them are constipated. The Parkinson's, the ALS, I mean, all everyone, the brain stuff, they're constipated. We had a guild.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:43

Oh, Parkinson's Parkinson's, you can almost guarantee they're constipated.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:47

Always, yeah. And ALS and then the heavy metals, the parasites, you gotta get those out.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:52

And our tendon. We we're actually talking to a company that provides FMT, the fecal microbial transplants.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:59

Awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:00

About doing that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:01

I just I just did a podcast, though, Aaron this new prior to you uh with transformation enzymes, and uh some of their their proteolytic enzymes are very, very, very important. And with the probate and then digest do you give them do they get digestive enzymes before a meal?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:16

We do we do some of that, yep. You guys are amazing. You're so ahead of the well my my nutritionist one that taught introduced me to the digestive enzymes. Oh my goodness. And constipation, we feedle them a lot of uh magnesium, vitamin C kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:29

Yeah. So you're gonna need a colonic bed in your facility, you're gonna need a room for that.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:33

Well, you've got some good facilities down there in Phoenix. But we anyway, long story short, had a guy and a gal come through and he had all the stuff at home. He had a lot of tools at home, in a lot of seminars, knew his knew his stuff. She couldn't nonverbal, could walk.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:46

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:47

And but she on uh day five started talking to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:51

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:51

And I went, I looked at her, I was mixing up some stuff for her, and I says, Wow, you've had quite a change. She says, Yes, I probably shouldn't change, chart tell you this, but before I came here, I just wanted to kill myself. And I and I just went, Whoa, this is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. And uh so get your gut's important, you guys. You gotta get that microbiome, re-established. You gotta get the poop out of the out of the out of the gut. And that's why I have my I bring my mom once a week, whether she likes it or not. And it's it it I can always tell a little difference in her still to this day. Like I said, I she almost died last December 9th when we moved her to the new facility. I thought for sure she'd be she went like she was flopping like a bad fish, and I had to put her in a wheelchair just to get in my facility. And it's like what the heck happened? But it was that because I guess that transition when you go from what you know to something different you don't know, it makes it worse. And she was very mad she had to go over to a new facility. But she's done better now, so we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:43

Awesome. Yeah, no, I see tremendous recoveries. People that you think you know got a month or two to live, live years.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:50

Yeah. So it's anybody listening to this, watching this, you are obligated to share this with anybody any assisted living center, dementia center, wherever you're at in the United States, they need to hear what you're doing so we can make changes. Because look at it, I mean, like you say, I know that hospice, they it's only six months, but you know what? They figure out ways to keep them on it because it's a money thing. And who's paying for it? Who's paying for it?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:13

You and I.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:14

Taxpayers.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:14

Yeah. And I gotta say, I think we could cut the sick care bill, but just colon hydrotherapy alone, in my opinion, we could cut it by 50 to 75 percent just doing colonics.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:22

Yeah. But I'll just just diet, exercise, you know, like stay away from the sugar and the crap that's in the grocery store.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:29

Yeah. Hey, one other tool that we did, I took my dad and my mom. Unfortunately, dad had a stroke in the middle of it, but it helped me tremendously. I did two things that helped my I was do I was getting bad. And I used to have a lot of mercury fillings in my teeth years ago, had them pulled out properly.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:42

Yeah, we we do take some to a holistic dentist too.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:46

Oh my gosh, you got it all wired. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:48

I'll try it.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:49

But uh, we used uh uh a laser therapy called IASIS, and that helped me tremendously. And then I went, there's a guy named Dr. Nicholas Douglas down in Santa Barbara. He trained a lady up in North Idaho, and her daughter, she she fell for some horses. She was in a horse showing business, had a lot of concussions, and she had to be in a memory care for she was in memory care at 28 years old. So this gal was like, she quit her job, she went on a mission to find out how to recover my daughter. Found Dr. Nicholas Douglas, trained under him. She's in Sandpoint, Idaho. That's why we went there because it's closer to us. But I saw a tremendous benefit in my brain.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:24

I totally had the la he had the laser, or what did he say?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:28

He has a laser, he has a PMF he puts on your brain. So there's it was a 15-day protocol. We were in twice a day for 15 days. Okay. Mom was starting to change, but then dad had a stroke right in the middle of the whole thing. Mom flipped out, you know, scared as heck. We thought, you know, we were losing him. And and dad that eventually recovered and we had to put him in a facility to rehabilit him. So he was he was there to take care of his wife. I mean, he won he had died at 91, but the last two years he was like, I'm ready to go, I'm ready to go. But he was staying on earth taking care of his wife because her memory issues.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:01

So bless his heart. But you know, I was seeing, and then of course, we had to come home and we necessarily North Idaho. So anyway, that's another tool that's very and I put the podcast link for that show in our show notes because that's a very important tool.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:14

Yeah, I'd love to hear more about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:16

Yeah, it's a pretty cool tool. So Dr. Lindelar's probably episode one. I'll put it in the l in the show notes for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:21

Okay, great.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:22

Well, this has been fantastic. Thanks for sharing your wonderful time and hats off to you. We're gonna share this far and wide, and I hope we can get some people in Boise, Idaho to adopt what you're doing down there.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:30

And I I'd love to learn more about what you're doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:32

All right, I'll send you a link if you like. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:35

Great. Awesome. Thank you for having me on. This has been a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:38

Yeah, I really appreciate you so much. You have no idea. I am so thankful. Thanks. All right. Well, David, this this has been David De Haas from Living Waters Wellness Center of Miracles begin by healing from within. Until next week, have a blessed week, my friends.